Working paper · scout.
Mandarin-only micro-entry from
Charge_SoFi_How_Much_GroupA_Derivations (Mandarin steps M0–M3) and the Group A paragraph of
Lexical_Entry_Charge_Argument_Structure /
ChargeACCUSE_GroupA (FEE clothing vs
控告), sharing √CHARGE_FEE geometry with the English and Japanese
chargeFEE pages. Packaging is
predicted / constructed from those notes — not field-elicited. Constructed diagnostics diagnose
向,
把, MeasureP integrity, and Appl_FROM; they are not spontaneous-speech citations. Navajo levy-stem rows in the same derivation are pointed only.
Constructed examples.
Frames below are the derivation’s Mandarin interface strings and the lexical entry’s Case clothes. Debit-true / OWE of ⟨n,U⟩ on the Payer is e2. Payment-true is a later
payGIVE (
付), not a default of this root. Do not fake elicitation. Where the extract labels prediction or scout, this page keeps the flag.
Beyond Index 2.
Index 2 does not list
charge, and it does not list Mandarin under Payment. Like
sell · Mandarin and
payGIVE · Mandarin, this root sits Beyond Index 2 as a Group A sense×language page. Neighbouring Index 2 classes (Risk /
dǔ) are not a translation of
chargeFEE.
Scout honesty.
Companion 要…钱 is noted as packaging on the same FEE cloth where useful; it is not closed as a second root and is not a second elicitation. Bare 收 vs compound 收费 is the same √CHARGE_FEE geometry in the Group A notes — not two lemmas invented here. Navajo levy-stem packaging remains deferred. No fake elicitation.
Hierarchy
Same inventory as English chargeFEE. Not four-place. Surface count can name SoFi, Pat, twenty dollars, and a bitcoin, but the lexicon does not list four co-arguments of √CHARGE_FEE / √收.
Intended labeling (shared with English / Japanese)
√CHARGE_FEE + ApplFROM(Payer/Source向, MeasureP ⟨n,U⟩) + 为-Consideration
Voice introduces Chargor (preverbal). Low ApplFROM introduces Payer/Source — spelled 向, or silent. MeasureP ⟨n, U⟩ is Incremental Theme of the debit, one object: Mandarin money QP with Amount and unit inside one phrase; 把 may front that whole QP. Consideration is 为 (e.g. 为一个比特币) — a PP, not a second 把-object. Bare 收 and compound 收费 are the same root’s cloth; Asp 了 suffixes V.
$20 = 二十美元 / 二十块 = one MeasureP. Orthography / measure-word morphology is not extra arity. Amount and Denomination are both inner arguments of that object. Composition is V(QP), not V(n)(U). There is no fifth argument “currency.”
Geometry is 1+2 with optional outer Consideration: one Initiator, one applied Source, one measuring object. That is the FROM dual of 付’s Appl_HAVE. It is not English DOC copied as two Themes, not bet’s 1+3, and not 卖’s HAVE-goods + Price.
Working hierarchy: Chargor > Payer/Source向 / silent > MeasureP ⟨n,U⟩把 / post-V (> Consideration为).
Companion 要…钱 (e.g. ask-for money frames) is scout packaging on the same debit cloth where the extract allows the name — not a second √, not chargeACCOUNT, and not 控告.
Mandarin frames · Case clothes
No English DOC flip into two accusative Themes. MeasureP stays one money QP — often 把-fronted as a whole. Payer is silent or 向 (FROM). Consideration stays outside a second 把. Cheapness under a question tracks the money QP unless the Payer or the Consideration is independently in focus. Strings below are constructed from the Group A derivation and the lexical entry; they are not field elicitation. Scout flag stays on.
- ✓ SoFi 两分钟前收了多少(钱)为一个比特币。 canonical SoFi · silent 向-Payer · 为-Consideration · 多少 in situ · constructed
- ✓ SoFi 向帕特收了二十块。 向-Payer + MeasureP
- ✓ SoFi 收了二十块。 Payer silent; QP still one object
- ✓ SoFi 向帕特为一个比特币收了二十块。 为-Consideration · not a second 把
- ✓ SoFi 把二十块向帕特收了。 把 of whole money QP · scout packaging
- ✓ SoFi 向帕特收费二十块。 compound 收费 · same geometry
- ✓ 付账了 / 把账单付了。 payBILL pointer — document ACC of 付, not this root
- * 把多少收了钱。 LBC / Amount-out · unit stranded after 收
- * 把一个比特币收了多少。 sell cloth on FEE · 把 fronts Consideration/goods
- * 向帕特控告了二十块。 ACCUSE verb + FEE Source/MeasureP
Canonical SoFi string (Group A Mandarin interface · constructed · scout)
✓ SoFi 两分钟前收了多少(钱)为一个比特币。
No T-to-C. Amount-WH 多少 / 多少钱 sits in MeasureP and is bound in situ. The Payer is silent (x, the derivation’s silent 向). 为一个比特币 is Consideration, not a second object and not 卖’s Price. The QP is still one object. PF does not spell a trace of Amount beside a stranded unit.
payBILL contrast (sister — not this root)
✓ 付账 / 把账单付了。 document ACC · 账单
* 把二十块把账单收了。 invoice + fee as two 把-Themes · wrong root
付账 is payBILL: document ACC of 付, with the twenty as instrument under 用 when it appears. Shared surface money names do not merge FEE with the document sister. See payGIVE · Mandarin for the HAVE twin.
ACCUSE cloth (wrong root)
* 向帕特控告了二十块。 FEE Source + MeasureP on ACCUSE
* 把二十块控告了迪克。 MeasureP of FEE on ACCUSE
FEE’s 向 is Payer/Source and FEE’s 把 fronts the money QP. Accusation content belongs on chargeACCUSE: 控告, Target postverbal, content NP / P-less. The accuse page stars 把 of Target and FEE Source on ACCUSE. This star is ACCUSE cloth on FEE — or FEE MeasureP on ACCUSE.
MeasureP WH · 多少 / 多少钱
WH forces Amount ≠ Denomination inside one Case object of FEE — here the money QP, optionally under 把. Verbal WH sees the MeasureP, not unit and degree as two objects of 收. Mandarin binds Amount in situ; a copy appears only when 把 fronts the whole QP. A copy of the degree that leaves the unit next to V is not generated.
- ✓ SoFi 两分钟前收了多少(钱)为一个比特币。 strategy B · degree WH · U bound / 钱 · in situ
- ✓ 收了多少美元? strategy A · Amount WH + # head
- ✓ 把多少钱收了? optional 把 of the whole QP · chain is the QP
- ✓ 向谁收了多少钱? in-situ; Payer > MeasureP
- * 把多少收了钱。 LBC / split · Amount-out · 钱 stranded
- * 把多少收了美金。 same split · unit left beside V
- * 把一个比特币收了多少。 sell cloth · 把 fronts Consideration
多少 / 多少钱 is the degree match to English how much: strategy B, U bound by context (dollar, yuan), or 钱 pronounced. 多少美元 copies the # head with the WH: strategy A. Both are one object. 把多少收了钱 peels Amount off a stranded unit after 收 — the Mandarin of the LBC split. The derivation’s chain, when there is a copy, is {多少钱2, t2} of the whole QP under 把. There is no Amount-trace inside MeasureP with 钱 / 美金 stranded. 把一个比特币收了多少 is the sell cloth and is not generated on FEE.
In situ vs 把 of whole QP (constructed · Group A M0–M3)
多少2 in MeasureP; 为-PP; silent 向; SoFi; 两分钟前; 了.
✓ [CP [TopP SoFi [VoiceP … 收 [MeasureP 多少 U] 为一个比特币]] C[Q_WH]] in situ · no Amount-trace
✓ [把P [MeasureP 多少钱]2 … t2 收了 …] 把 of the whole QP
Denomination WH is a different question (什么币 / in what), not this Amount probe, and not a second object of 收.
Two constraints conspire on the stars: QP integrity (Amount and unit stay inside one 把 / MeasureP domain; Mandarin cannot strand 钱 after 收), and the one-object ceiling for 把 on FEE (Consideration / goods cannot become the 把-object of 收). Rescues are 多少钱, 多少美元, and in-situ 多少. The rescue does not make 钱 a sister of 收了.
Geometry · chargeFEE ≠ 付 ≠ 卖 ≠ deduct ≠ 控告
In SoFi 向帕特收了二十块, Pat is the person the money comes FROM. In 帕特付给了克里斯二十块, Chris is the person the money goes TO. Same surface human; the Appl is not the same. Follow-ups flip.
- ≠ payGIVE · 付 / fù. Shared MeasureP ⟨n,U⟩ and a human coverb phrase. Split: HAVE of Amount vs FROM / DEBIT. e2 of 付 is Recipient HAS the Amount (给). e2 of chargeFEE is debit / OWE of ⟨n,U⟩ on the Payer (向). Payment-true is a later payGIVE, not e2 of FEE. Both refuse a second 把 of goods+money. On 付 the refused second 把 is goods; on 收 the refused second 把 is Consideration as if it were Theme.
- ≠ sell · 卖 / mài. 卖: Recipient HAS goods (把 fronts goods); Price is 以/用/多少钱. 收: money is the MeasureP of the debit; 为一个比特币 is Consideration, not Price-as-Theme. *把一个比特币收了多少 is sell cloth on FEE.
- ≠ deduct. Shared FROM + MeasureP Hom. English deduct keeps Domain as from-PP and the decrement as ACC. Mandarin FEE spells Payer with 向 and may 把-front the fee QP. 从-Domain on a deduct packaging is a different cloth, not evidence that 向 was secretly a Recipient.
- ≠ chargeACCUSE · 控告. Ascription: Judge > Target > Accusation. No selected MeasureP. No Appl_FROM of money. *向帕特控告了二十块 / *把二十块控告了迪克 put FEE clothes on ACCUSE (or ACCUSE on FEE). Point the legal neighbour to charge-accuse.html. Do not stack a fee QP and 欺诈 as one grid.
- ≠ payBILL · 付账. The invoice is an ACC / 把-object of 付. MeasureP, when it appears, is instrument (用), not the Theme of √CHARGE_FEE. Link pay-bill-zh.html. Crossing the roots smuggles a four-place reading and two 把s.
- ≠ chargeACCOUNT. to-card / to-account Destination is book-entry, not this 向-Payer. A ledger Goal is a different packaging; this page does not merge it.
- Debit-true is e2. SoFi 向帕特收了二十块 is true when ⟨20, 块⟩ is debited / owed on Pat. A follow-up that Pat never paid (没付) does not deny the 收 event. A follow-up that nothing was owed on Pat denies e2. Goods-HAVE is 卖’s e2. Guilt-true is not entailed on 控告 and is irrelevant on FEE.
Shells, ApplP, and coverbs
Base tree (Mandarin cloth · Larson-shell sketch · 收了)
VoiceP [ SoFi
(AdvP 两分钟前)
ApplP_FROM [ 向帕特 / x_PAYER [ Appl_FROM
(baP [ 把 [ MeasureP / QP [ Amount 二十 / 多少 ] [ U 块/钱/美元 ] ]
VP [ √收 … ] ] )
VP [ √收 [ MeasureP … ] ] ]
PP_Cons [ 为 [ Consideration 一个比特币 ] ] ]
Voice introduces Chargor. Appl_FROM introduces Payer (overt 向, or silent x). The MeasureP sits as Incremental Theme of the debit; 把 optionally fronts that whole QP. Consideration attaches above the inner FROM and does not take a second 把. There is no Recipient HAVE shell. Putting one in is how 收 gets misread as 付. Split-field order places V between Agent and Theme when 把 fronts; that is packaging of one already-listed object, not a fifth θ-slot. 了 is Asp.
SoFi interface (Group A · in situ · constructed · scout)
[CP [TopP SoFi_1 [VoiceP t_1
[AdvP 两分钟前]
[ApplP x_PAYER
[VP 收 [MeasureP 多少_2 U] ]
[PP 为一个比特币]]]] C[Q_WH]]
Chain only if 把 fronts the QP: {多少钱2, t2}, t2 the whole MeasureP. No T-to-C. No copy of 多少 that strands 钱.
Mandarin 收 / 收费 does not assign four structural Cases the English DOC way. Chargor is preverbal. Payer is 向 or silent. MeasureP is one QP (optionally under 把). Consideration is inside P. Proto-roles are shell-local. Chargor is a partial Proto-Agent (SoFi, the shop, the meter). Payer is Proto-Source, not Proto-Recipient. MeasureP is Incremental Theme of the debit; Hom on ⟨n,U⟩. Denomination is inside that object, not a theta role of its own.
Neo-Davidsonian sketch (shared with the English entry)
∃e [ CHARGE(e)
∧ INIT(e, sofi)
∧ FROM(e, pat) /* or x, silent Payer */
∧ TH(e, ⟨20, 块⟩)
∧ CONSID(e, bitcoin) ]
e2: debit / OWE-state of ⟨n,U⟩ on the Payer. Payment-true is a later payGIVE (付), not e2 of this root. The two-minute adverb is a runtime modifier, not a fifth lambda.
Voice filter (constructed · same filter as English)
✓ SoFi 向帕特收了二十块。 institutional Initiator
* 天气向帕特收了二十块。 weather fails Chargor
The English page’s *The weather charged Pat twenty dollars is this filter. It is not a new Mandarin elicitation. Weather can be an ACCUSE Target on the sister root; it is not the Judge, and it is not the Chargor of FEE.
Underivables (Mandarin · scout)
- * 把多少收了钱。 LBC / QP split · Amount-out
- * 把多少收了美金。 Amount-out leaving the unit
- * 把一个比特币收了多少。 sell cloth on FEE
- * 向帕特控告了二十块。 ACCUSE verb + FEE Source/MeasureP · 控告
- * 把二十块控告了迪克。 MeasureP of FEE on ACCUSE
- * 把二十块把账单收了。 document + fee as two Themes · payBILL
- * 天气向帕特收了二十块。 Voice filter
Group A packaging · this tick Mandarin only (scout)
Group A (English, Japanese, Mandarin, Navajo) recodes the FROM cloth of √CHARGE_FEE. It does not add a fifth GF. This tick is Mandarin chargeFEE only — scout. The English twin is live at charge-fee.html; Japanese at charge-fee-ja.html. Case on this page: money QP under optional 把; Payer silent or 向; Consideration 为; Chargor preverbal; bare 收 and compound 收费.
- Mandarin (this page · scout). 收 / 收费. 把 fronts the whole QP, never Amount-minus-unit. 控告 is chargeACCUSE (prior seed, outside sprint Done).
- Japanese. Live at charge-fee-ja.html: 請求する / チャージする; o #P; ni or silent Payer; Double-o unused.
- Navajo. A levy-stem may eat the unit; denomination WH may be a stem choice rather than a stranded classifier. Predicted, not elicited — deferred.
Group B Spanish cobrar, French facturer, and Italian addebitare are live twins. Groups C–D stay on the English page as names — not deepened here.
Open items
- Scout depth. Packaging is predicted from Group A notes (M0–M3 + lexical entry), not field-elicited. Keep the scout badge until elicitation closes 向 vs silent Payer register and bare 收 vs 收费 preference.
- Companion 要…钱. Noted as packaging; not closed as a second root this tick.
- Navajo micro-entry. Same Group A geometry; levy-stem packaging. Deferred — do not invent depth this tick.
- Passive / 被. English promotes Payer, or MeasureP when Payer is dropped. The Mandarin promotee under 被 for FEE is not closed in the SoFi extract. Left open; not invented as a result.
- Border nouns (服务费 / service-charge sortals beside 收费). One MeasureP with a sortal N, or ACCOUNT coerced to FEE. Speculative packaging, not a fifth slot.
- chargeACCOUNT vs FEE. Whether to-card Destination is a cloth of FEE or a third root stays a packaging question.
Corpus filenames
Primary extract for this micro-entry is the Mandarin derivation in the SoFi how-much Group A note (in-situ 多少, optional 把 of whole QP, starred splits) plus FEE clothing in ChargeACCUSE_GroupA and the Group A paragraph of the charge lexical entry. Geometry is shared with the English lexical entry. DOCX originals under the Tritransitive lit tree (lit/grok-tritransitive/files/). Box extracts: site-seed/charge-fee-ja-notes.txt, site-seed/ChargeACCUSE_GroupA-extract.txt. Strings on this page are constructed from those extracts, not spontaneous-speech citations. Scout — do not treat as field elicitation.
- Charge_SoFi_How_Much_GroupA_Derivations.docx primary · Mandarin M0–M3 · 多少 / 把 QP
- Lexical_Entry_Charge_Argument_Structure.docx shared geometry · 向 / 把 · ACCUSE split
- ChargeACCUSE_GroupA (extract) FEE clothing vs 控告 · 把 unused on ACCUSE
- Charge_SoFi_Fifty_Grand_GroupA_Derivations.docx polar companion · closed ⟨n,U⟩
- WH_Raising_Denominations.docx strategy A vs B
- Negative_Questions_Charge_GroupA_Contrast_Set.docx Group A companion
- site-seed/charge-fee-ja-notes.txt Mandarin steps M0–M3 excerpt
Series placement: Mandarin sense×language twin (scout) of English chargeFEE and Japanese seikyū. Feeds WH-Raising of Denominations under Group A QP cloth, with the Incremental Theme the fee and the applied argument a Source. Does not reopen Type A / Type B causation-chain papers. Does not log chargeACCUSE into sprint Done (prior seed outside Done). Does not invent NV elicitation.
Index 2 citations for neighbouring Payment class
Payment citations from Index 2 (neighbour class — charge is not listed)
| Code | Language | Index 2 citation | As printed |
| EN | English | pay (payGIVE EN micro-entry), remit, wire, transfer | Vol. 3 |
| ES | Spanish | pagar, transferir, girar | Vol. 5 |
| FR | French | payer, virer, transférer | Vol. 5 |
| IT | Italian | pagare, bonificare, trasferire | Vol. 5 |
| HU | Hungarian | fizet, átutal | Vols. 3, 6 |
| BG | Bulgarian | плащам, превеждам | Vols. 3, 6 |
| PL | Polish | płacić / zapłacić, przelewać / przelać | Vols. 3, 6 |
| DE | German | bezahlen, überweisen | Vol. 7 |
| NL | Dutch | betalen, overmaken | Vol. 7 |
| NO | Norwegian | betale, overføre | Vol. 7 |
Languages Index 2 does not list for Payment are left off the table. Mandarin is absent from Index 2 Payment — this page is Beyond Index 2. chargeFEE itself is not an Index 2 lemma. Non-Mandarin rows are class citations, not sense×language micro-entries.