Working paper.
Italian-only micro-entry closing the Group B Romance deduct line from
WH_Movement_Denominations_Deduct §7.2 and
Negative_Questions_Deduct §13.2, sharing √DEDUCT geometry with
Lexical_Entry_Deduct_Argument_Structure and the live English / Japanese / Spanish / French twins. Constructed diagnostics diagnose ACC MeasureP,
da/
da parte di/
a partire da Domain,
per-Reason, quantity clitic
ne, Voice filter, and the FROM / TO dual with credit
FIN; they are not spontaneous-speech citations.
FEE-overlap warning: surface
addebitare is already live as
chargeFEE · Italian (DAT Payer + ACC MeasureP) — keep Domain as oblique FROM on
detrarre; do not collapse to FEE cloth.
Constructed examples.
Frames below are packaging hypotheses aligned with Group B notes (“Spanish / French / Italian: quantity clitic en / ne under Neg tracks the MeasureP … Domain is de / à partir de, not a second object … Reason is pour / por / per”) and the WH map (“Cosa gli ha addebitato / detratto l’exchange? · in che valuta”). Decrement-true of ⟨n,U⟩ from Domain is e2. Destruction, house-credit, and actual guilt are not entailed. Do not fake elicitation. Scout-leaning DAT Affectee packing is flagged where the WH paper shows gli / a beside da-Domain — and where the same surface string co-lists addebitare (FEE) next to detrarre.
Beyond Index 2.
Index 2 does not list
deduct, and Italian Payment cites
pagare, bonificare, trasferire — not
detrarre /
prelevare. Like
chargeFEE · Italian and
creditFIN · Italian, this root sits
Beyond Index 2 as a Group B measuring companion. Keep Domain as
da/
da parte di/
a partire da oblique FROM; do not collapse to
addebitare /
far pagare’s DAT Payer / ACC MeasureP FEE cloth.
Scout / deferred · FEE overlap.
Commercial / payroll companions prelevare / trattenere are scout-leaning where withholding talk is natural; document honestly — no fake elicitation ranking. Mandarin 扣 / 扣除 and Navajo classificatory-stem packaging share the Groups A–D sections but are not deepened this tick. WH §7.2 co-lists addebitare / detrarre in one Italian string — treat that as surface-form inventory, not as one lemma for √DEDUCT. Relative productivity of tax/logic detrarre vs payroll prelevare/trattenere, and of DAT Affectee doubling beside da-Domain, remains open.
Hierarchy
Same inventory as English deduct. Not five-place. Not four sisters of one V. Surface count can name the game, 0,00368, ETH, every player in the dungeon, and the chat-rule violation — but Amount and Denomination share one Case object, Domain is one da/a partire da-PP, and Reason is high / outer.
Intended labeling (shared English metalanguage · Parse B)
√DEDUCT / DECREMENT + VoiceA(Agent-ish) + MeasureP ⟨Amount, Denom⟩ + ApplFROM(Domain) · hierarchy Agent-ish > MeasureP > Domain (> outer Reason)
Voice introduces Agent-ish (system / institutional Initiator; partial Proto-Agent). MeasureP ⟨n, U⟩ is Incremental Theme of the decrement — one ACC object. Low Appl_FROM introduces Domain as a set (or quantified DP); Italian spells the default with da / da parte di / a partire da (align ES de/desde, FR de/à partir de). Optional high Reason is JUSTIFIED_BY (per), not Purpose (earmark), not Content (bet), not Consideration (chargeFEE). Packaging (detrarre; scout companions prelevare / trattenere) keeps one decrement geometry.
0,00368 ETH = one MeasureP. Orthography is not extra arity. Amount and Denomination are both inner arguments of that object. Composition is V(MeasureP), not V(n)(U). Hom(e, ⟨n,U⟩): the decrement is measured by degree n on scale U. Romance quantity clitic ne resumes quantity of the QP — not a unit stranded from its degree, and not Domain.
Working hierarchy: Agent-ish > MeasureP ⟨n,U⟩ > Domain > Reason. What Group B Italian changes is Case cloth (da/a partire da, per, ne). What it does not change is the inventory. Weather still fails Agent-ish. Settlement / destruction is still not entailed. Domain never promotes to ACC / DAT the way chargeFEE / fine promote Payer (addebitare).
Italian frames · Case clothes
Italian puts the QP in ACC, Domain in da / da parte di / a partire da, Reason in per. There is no DOC cloth and no con-cloth dual of creditFIN. Primary lemma for the page: detrarre (tax / logic / arithmetic hinge; WH §7.2 Italian lead). Scout companions prelevare / trattenere may wear the same FROM geometry in commercial / payroll / withholding talk — document both; do not invent a sense split. Surface addebitare is contrast only (FEE).
- ✓ Il gioco ha detratto 0,00368 ETH da ogni giocatore nel dungeon per aver violato le regole della chat. canonical · ACC MeasureP · da Domain · per Reason · Parse B
- ✓ Il gioco ha detratto 0,00368 ETH da ogni giocatore. Reason omitted
- ✓ L’azienda ha prelevato / trattenuto denaro dalla busta paga. value-mass object · payroll hinge · companion scout
- ✓ La busta paga ha prelevato / trattenuto denaro / tasse / interessi / collaterale. value-mass · sortal OK · companion scout
- ✓ L’exchange ha detratto 0,001 ETH dall’utente che ha tentato di usare la leva. Domain relative rides · WH §7.2
- ✓ Hanno detratto 0,00368 ETH da ogni giocatore. detrarre primary · same FROM cloth
- ✓ Ha detratto le spese dalla dichiarazione. tax / arithmetic companion
- ✓ Non gli hanno detratto 0,00368 ETH? DAT Affectee packing beside Domain · scout vs da-Domain default · do not merge with addebitare FEE
- ? Il gioco ha detratto ETH da ogni giocatore. bare U · type / activity · marked
- * Il gioco ha detratto 0,00368 da ogni giocatore. unit unbound
- * Ogni giocatore nel dungeon è stato detratto 0,00368 ETH. Domain ≠ ACC · use addebitare / far pagare / multare
- * Il gioco ha detratto ogni giocatore con 0,00368 ETH. no con-cloth
- * Il gioco ha detratto 0,00368 ETH a ogni giocatore. as TO-increment a = credit FIN polarity · not FROM default
- * L’exchange ha detratto acqua / sabbia / un consiglio dall’utente. wrong-sort mass
- * Il tempo ha detratto 0,00368 ETH da ogni giocatore. weather / inanimate ≠ Agent-ish
Passive · MeasureP vs Domain vs Reason
✓ 0,00368 ETH sono stati detratti da ogni giocatore nel dungeon … QP promotes as a whole
* 0,00368 sono stati detratti ETH da ogni giocatore … Amount ≠ separate promote
* ETH sono stati detratti 0,00368 da ogni giocatore … U ≠ separate promote
* Ogni giocatore nel dungeon è stato detratto 0,00368 ETH … Domain stays da-PP
* Aver violato le regole della chat è stato detratto 0,00368 ETH … Reason ≠ object
✓ Hanno addebitato / fatto pagare / multato 0,00368 ETH a ogni giocatore. chargeFEE / fine: Domain/Payer promoted — contrast
Companions · one FROM geometry · FEE contrast
✓ detrarre primary · tax / logic / arithmetic hinge · WH lead
? prelevare / trattenere commercial / payroll / withholding companion scout · same FROM cloth · no fake ranking
✓ addebitare / far pagare chargeFEE · DAT Payer · contrast only · already live at charge-fee-it.html
✓ accreditare creditFIN · TO dual · contrast polarity
? detrarre a DAT Affectee without da-Domain scout · do not merge with FEE Payer / addebitare
Parse A distractor (not intended for (1))
? da ogni giocatore, nel dungeon, … comma Loc = extra verbal PP
✓ da ogni giocatore nel dungeon one Domain DP · restrictor internal
Romance ci / venue clitics track a venue (Parse A / wrapping), not a Parse B Domain of loss (Negative_Questions_Deduct §13.2).
MeasureP WH / NegQ · denomination diagnostics
WH forces Amount ≠ Denomination inside one Case object. Verbal WH sees the MeasureP under ACC, not unit and degree as two objects of deduct. Same MeasureP pattern as English / Japanese / Spanish / French deduct — here Domain stays a selected da/a partire da-PP (or DAT Affectee packing flagged open), and Reason stays per.
- ✓ Quanto ha detratto il gioco da ogni giocatore? unit bound
- ✓ Quanti ETH ha detratto il gioco da ogni giocatore?
- ✓ Quanto di cosa hanno detratto da ogni giocatore? n and U inside host
- ✓ In che / in che valuta glielo hanno detratto? U recoding · §7.2
- ✓ Cosa gli ha detratto l’exchange? bare WHAT · object hijack · §7.2 · detrarre primary
- ✓ Cosa gli ha addebitato / detratto l’exchange? WH §7.2 surface co-list · addebitare = FEE contrast · detrarre = √DEDUCT
- * Cosa ha detratto l’exchange 0,001 dell’utente …? LBC · stranded n
- * Quanto ha detratto l’exchange ETH dell’utente? LBC · U stranded
- ✓ Da chi / da quali giocatori ha detratto il gioco 0,00368 ETH? WH = Domain
- ✓ Perché hanno detratto 0,00368 ETH? Reason
- * A chi hanno detratto 0,00368 ETH? as Domain-ACC / FEE cloth Domain needs da/a partire da · FEE promote is addebitare
- ✓ Non hanno detratto 0,00368 ETH da ogni giocatore? NegQ · MeasureP cheap associate
- ✓ Non ne hanno detratto 0,00368? quantity clitic ne · §13.2
- ✓ Non gliene hanno detratto 0,00368? ne / quantity + DAT · Group B cheap associate · Affectee packing
Bare Cosa gli ha detratto? — four answer types (shared with English)
QP (default): 0,001 ETH. / 15 dollari. — whole MeasureP.
KIND: Una commissione di liquidazione. / Il margine isolato. — sortal N of the levy, not U of ⟨n,U⟩.
U (marked): Bitcoin. / USDC. / ETH. — unit-name with silent n; needs a currency menu. Not the first reading.
MASS: Denaro. / Liquidità. / Collaterale. — value-mass hypernym; legal object; not a denomination. Wrong-sort mass stays out.
Superiority ranks Agent-ish > MeasureP > Domain > Reason. Amount and Denomination never compete as two verbal WH-items. Cheap NegQ association tracks the Case object: ACC MeasureP under detrarre. Quantity clitic ne resumes the QP (Romance Group B map); venue clitics track venue, not Domain of loss. Reason-per does not lift a second unit the way charge’s Consideration-per can.
Geometry · detrarre ≠ addebitare ≠ accreditareFIN ≠ scommettere ≠ destinare
In Il gioco ha detratto 0,00368 ETH da Pat, Pat is Domain of loss and stays inside a da-PP. In Il negozio ha addebitato venti euro a Pat, Pat is Payer and wears DAT beside ACC MeasureP. Shared FROM_SET arithmetic; different Case cloth. That is the FEE-overlap cut this tick is written to keep visible.
- ≠ chargeFEE / addebitare / far pagare / fine. Shared FROM_SET + MeasureP Hom. Split: deduct keeps Domain as da/a partire da-PP; chargeFEE / fine promote Payer/Domain to DAT / ACC (gli ha addebitato venti euro). *Ogni giocatore è stato detratto 0,00368 ETH — use addebitare / far pagare / multare. Live twin: charge-fee-it.html. WH §7.2 co-lists both lemmas; keep √DEDUCT on detrarre.
- ≠ creditFIN / accreditare. Shared MeasureP. Opposite polarity: deduct = FROM_SET decrement (da/a partire da); creditFIN = TO_SET increment (a/su/di-MeasureP). creditFIN has Account clothes; Italian deduct has no productive con-cloth dual (*detrarre ogni giocatore con 0,00368 ETH). Live twin: credit-fin-it.html.
- ≠ bet / scommettere. Shared MeasureP (Stake vs decrement). Split: bet is 1+3 (Stake + Content + optional Platform); no FROM Domain of loss at e-time. Deduct has no selected Proposition.
- ≠ earmark / allocateGOAL / destinare / stanziare a. Shared MeasureP packaging available. Split: earmark’s per can be Purpose; allocate’s a is Goal; deduct’s per (when Reason) is high JUSTIFIED_BY. No FROM-loss on earmark / allocate.
- ≠ payGIVE / pagare · ≠ vendere / sell. Pay writes MeasureP TO a Recipient (Appl_HAVE). Sell: Recipient HAS goods; Price stays inside per. Deduct: money/value is the ACC MeasureP of the decrement; per aver violato … is Reason, not Price / Consideration.
- ≠ subtract / sottrarre / togliere. Same MeasureP family against a number/account Domain; Reason usually absent. Packaging cousins, not a fifth GF.
- Four pers. Deduct’s per aver violato … = Reason / ground (high). chargeFEE’s per il pasto = Consideration. Sell’s per venti euro = Price. Earmark / allocate keep Purpose readings of per / a. Keep them apart.
- Decrement-true is e2. A follow-up that denies destruction, house-credit, or actual guilt does not deny the deduct event. Guilt-true is not entailed (Reason is JUSTIFIED_BY, not factive Content).
Shells, ApplP, and Case
Base tree (Italian · Parse B · Larson-shell sketch)
VoiceP [ il gioco
(ReasonP)
ApplP_FROM [ da [ ogni giocatore nel dungeon ]
VP [ √DEDUCT / √DETRAR- [ MeasureP [ Amount 0,00368 ] [ N ETH ] ] ]
PP_per [ per [ aver violato le regole della chat ] ] ]
Packaging (same geometry):
detrarre (tax / logic / arithmetic hinge)
prelevare / trattenere (commercial / payroll scout companions)
— Domain stays da / da parte di / a partire da; Reason stays per
— addebitare = FEE contrast (DAT Payer), not √DEDUCT primary
Voice introduces Agent-ish. Appl_FROM introduces Domain as a set. MeasureP sits as Incremental Theme of the decrement. Reason attaches above the inner FROM. There is no Recipient HAVE shell and no ACC / DAT promotion of Domain. Putting one in is how the fine / addebitare cloth is written — a different root packaging, not √DEDUCT growing a second object.
Italian assigns ACC to the MeasureP only (default). Domain stays oblique (da/da parte di/a partire da). Reason stays a per-PP. Quantity clitic ne resumes the MeasureP. No reverse DOC. Passive promotes the Measure QP as a whole — never Amount alone, never U alone, never Domain into subject (*Ogni giocatore è stato detratto …), never Reason.
Proto-roles are shell-local. Agent-ish is a partial Proto-Agent (game, payroll, fisc, auto-mod, protocol — institutional cause, not required volition). Domain members are Proto-Source after ogni / tutto unfolds; the verbal argument is the bundled set. MeasureP is Incremental Theme; Hom on ⟨n,U⟩. Denomination is not a fifth theta role.
Neo-Davidsonian sketch (shared with English entry §9)
∃e [ DECREMENT(e)
∧ INIT(e, gioco)
∧ DEGREE(e, 0.00368) ∧ UNIT(e, ETH)
∧ FROM_SET(e, D) ∧ Hom(e, ⟨0.00368, ETH⟩)
∧ JUSTIFIED_BY(e, violare_regole_chat) ]
With ogni / tutto inside Domain: ∀x [giocatore(x) ∧ in(x, dungeon) → ∃e … FROM(e, x) …]. The dungeon appears only in the restrictor of D. No LOCATION(e, dungeon) conjunct is required under Parse B. e2: each atomic member of Domain ¬HAS ⟨n,U⟩. Destruction / house-credit is a later sequel, not e2.
Voice filter
✓ Chi ha detratto 0,00368 ETH da ogni giocatore?
✓ Il gioco / il contratto / il protocollo ha detratto … institutional Initiator
* Il tempo ha detratto 0,00368 ETH da ogni giocatore. not an Allocator
✓ 0,00368 ETH sono stati detratti da ogni giocatore dal gioco.
Milder than blame / creditMERIT’s Judge filter; same cell as creditFIN’s Allocator-ish filter. Players are Domain members, not Causees of an inner agentive verb.
Type A · fare wrap
✓ Non hanno fatto detrarre al gioco 0,00368 ETH da ogni giocatore? outer Neg denies causing · causee ≠ Domain · fare-par register
* Non hanno fatto detrarre al tempo 0,00368 ETH da ogni giocatore? weather still not inner Agent-ish
When fare wraps deduct, clitic climbing can diagnose the Type A union; the inner FROM geometry stays (Negative_Questions_Deduct §13.2 / §14). Deduct does not grow a fare-par by itself.
Underivables (Italian deduct)
- * Il gioco ha detratto 0,00368 da ogni giocatore. unit unbound
- * 0,00368 sono stati detratti ETH da ogni giocatore. Amount ≠ separate passive
- * ETH sono stati detratti 0,00368 da ogni giocatore. U ≠ separate passive
- * Ogni giocatore nel dungeon è stato detratto 0,00368 ETH. Domain ≠ ACC
- * Aver violato le regole della chat è stato detratto 0,00368 ETH. Reason ≠ object
- * Cosa ha detratto l’exchange 0,001 dell’utente? LBC · stranded n
- * Quanto ha detratto l’exchange ETH dell’utente? LBC · U stranded
- * A chi hanno detratto 0,00368 ETH? as Domain-ACC Domain needs da/a partire da
- * Il gioco ha detratto ogni giocatore con 0,00368 ETH. no con-cloth
- * Il gioco ha detratto 0,00368 ETH a ogni giocatore. as TO-increment a ≠ FROM default
- * Il tempo ha detratto 0,00368 ETH da ogni giocatore. Voice filter
- * L’exchange ha detratto acqua dall’utente. wrong-sort mass
- ✓ institution / contract as Agent-ish: Il contratto intelligente ha detratto 0,001 ETH dall’utente. Initiator fine
Group B packaging · this tick Italian closes Romance deduct
Group B (Spanish, French, Italian) is the packaging contrast set already used for WH and NegQ on deduct (§7.2 / §13.2). Same hierarchy as English deduct; different host of MeasureP/Domain Case. This tick is Italian deduct only — and it finishes the Group B Romance deduct line (EN+JA+ES+FR+IT). Spanish descontar / deducir is live at deduct-es.html. French déduire / prélever is live at deduct-fr.html. Italian primary is detrarre; watch FEE overlap on surface addebitare (already live as chargeFEE · Italian) — pointed as contrast, not merged. English deduct.html and Japanese deduct-ja.html are the live FROM twins. Italian creditFIN is the live TO dual — keep the polarity split.
Open items
- English / Japanese / Spanish / French twins. deduct.html, deduct-ja.html, deduct-es.html, and deduct-fr.html are live. Keep Domain as from/kara/de/desde/à partir de/da/a partire da; do not collapse to chargeFEE.
- FEE overlap on addebitare. Already live as chargeFEE · Italian. WH §7.2 co-lists addebitare / detrarre. Keep √DEDUCT on detrarre; Domain stays oblique FROM.
- DAT Affectee packing. WH §7.2 shows Cosa gli ha detratto …? beside da/a partire da Domain. Confirm whether gli/a is high Affectee, optional doubling, or a register path toward FEE — open; do not merge with addebitare.
- detrarre vs prelevare / trattenere productivity. Tax / logic / arithmetic vs payroll / commercial ranking needs controlled elicitation — flagged scout-leaning, not closed. Do not invent a sense split.
- Polish GEN-neg on odjąć / potrącić — GEN on the QP, not a stranded unit. Companion elicitation (Group C).
- Outer CAUSE (fare). Site on the making vs on the decrement; Domain never becomes Causee Case under √DEDUCT’s Italian cloth. Romance fare on a ledger verb is usually fare-par (§14).
- Mandarin / Navajo. 把 / HANDLE packaging. Deferred with Group A notes.
Corpus filenames
Primary extracts for this micro-entry are Group B Romance packaging notes in the deduct WH and NegQ papers. Geometry is shared with the English lexical entry. Increment dual: Lexical_Entry_Credit_Argument_Structure / live credit-fin-it.html. FEE contrast: live charge-fee-it.html. Text extracts under /tmp/deduct_extracts/; DOCX originals under the Tritransitive lit tree. Chat extract: lit/grok-tritransitive/chats/16-wh-movement-denominations-in-deduct.md.
- WH_Movement_Denominations_Deduct.docx primary · §7.2 Group B Italian · Cosa gli ha addebitato / detratto l’exchange · in che valuta
- Negative_Questions_Deduct.docx primary · §13.2 Group B · da / a partire da Domain · ne quantity · per Reason · Non ne hanno detratto
- Lexical_Entry_Deduct_Argument_Structure.docx shared geometry · Parse B · MeasureP · Appl_FROM
- Lexical_Entry_Credit_Argument_Structure.docx TO dual · ledger increment mirror
- INDEX2_Verbs.txt IT Payment cites pagare / bonificare / trasferire — deduct not Index 2
Series placement: Italian sense×language twin of English deduct EN micro-entry, Japanese deduct JA micro-entry, Spanish deduct ES micro-entry, and French deduct FR micro-entry. Feeds measuring companions Beyond Index 2 and the decrement cell next to creditFIN / chargeFEE / bet / earmark. Sister of live creditFIN · Italian — keep the FROM/TO polarity split. Closes Group B Romance deduct (EN+JA+ES+FR+IT). Does not invent ZH/NV elicitation. Speculation flagged.